The following message was delivered at Grace Community Church in Panorama 
City, California, By John MacArthur Jr.  It was transcribed from the tape,
GC 90-54, titled "Charismatic Chaos" Part 3.  A copy of the tape can be 
obtained by writing, Word of Grace, P.O. Box 4000, Panorama City, CA 91412.

I have made every effort to ensure that an accurate transcription of the 
original tape was made.  Please note that at times sentence structure may 
appear to vary from accepted English conventions.  This is due primarily to 
the techniques involved in preaching and the obvious choices I had to make in 
placing the correct punctuation in the article.

It is my intent and prayer that the Holy Spirit will use this transcription 
of the sermon, "Charismatic Chaos" Part 3, to strengthen and encourage the 
true Church of Jesus Christ.

Scriptures quoted in this message are from the New American Standard Bible.



                         Charismatic Chaos - Part 3
                                     by
                               John MacArthur


In our study of this most fascinating and important subject of the 
Charismatic movement in our contemporary time, we come tonight to message 
number three in our series; and we are going to be building on the prior 
message dealing with "Does God still give Revelation?" as we talk about "Are 
there still Prophecies from God?", another very important component of 
understanding and accessing the Charismatic movement.

Certainly, in my mind, the most disturbing aspect of the Charismatic movement 
and their thirst for supernatural experience and supernatural encounter is  
their claim that God is still revealing Himself verbally to them.  As we saw 
in our last study, they claim that God is speaking to them: that is a 
constant claim.  In fact, there probably is nothing more commonly expressed 
among Charismatics than that, "The Lord told me!"  Or, "Jesus told me!"  
They believe that the Lord is still telling them specific things in specific 
terms.  God is still breathing out revelation.  

It has been a curiosity to me and should be to us, I think, that if God is 
still giving revelation, the only ones that He gives it to are Charismatics!  
Nobody else seems to be getting revelation with the exception of the founders 
of various cults.  But apart from the cults and the Charismatics I don't see 
people within the framework, the broad framework of Christianity, claiming 
revelation.  

Now, I want to be very clear that when I talk about the fact that God is no 
longer giving revelation, I don't want to be misunderstood.  I do believe 
that the Holy Spirit does lead Christians.  Romans 8:14 says that, "As many 
as are led by the Spirit, they are the children of God."  I believe the Holy 
Spirit guides us.  I believe He empowers us to witness, to speak, to write, 
to act with Spiritual Power and impact.  I believe the Holy Spirit impresses 
His will on our minds leading us to praise, leading us to obedience, leading 
us to righteousness, leading us to spiritual service.  We as believers can be 
confident of his moving on our minds to lead us to truth.  However, He does 
not speak to us in audible words.  He does not place inaudible, but specific 
words in our minds.  He is not breathing out any more revelation.  

We noted the importance of understanding that in our last study, and if you 
weren't here you'll want to get the tape.  You remember that Jude said that, 
"Scripture was once for all delivered to the Saints."  And when it was 
"delivered" it was done.  He was not only speaking of past Scripture when he 
wrote that, he was speaking of present Scripture which he himself was even 
writing, and he was speaking of future Scripture yet to be written by Apos
tles and their associates to complete the New Testament.  He identifies the 
composite of God's revelation and says, "It was once for all delivered to the 
Saints," in God's plan.  

And after all the Scripture was complete and "once for all delivered to the 
Saints" the Early Church said, "The Canon is closed."  Now that word "canon" 
needs definition.  We mentioned last time that it comes from a word "kanon" 
(Greek) which is a reed.  That reed was used as a measuring stick, and so the 
word "kanon" in the Greek came to mean a rod, or a bar, or a measuring rule, 
or standard, or limit.  We would call it a measuring rod, or a measuring 
stick, a ruler, a yardstick; something by which other things are measured.  
In the more spiritual sense it became a standard by which you measure truth.  
The Scripture metaphorically then became the standard of all truth; the 
standard of all spiritual ideas, concepts, and theology.  And so the Canon of 
Scripture, that is Scripture completed, and the rule was "once for all 
delivered to the Saints."

Just to give you a little deeper insight into that, the Old Testament Canon 
was closed about 425 B.C., 425 years before Christ.  The last prophecy was 
written by Malachi, [and] placed into the Canon.  There was no question which 
books were inspired by God.  No question.  It was clear to the people of God 
what they were.  In fact, under the leadership of the scribe Ezra, there was 
some work to pull all of that together, and the consensus of the people of 
God was very clear on what the 39 inspired books were.  How did they know?  

Two simple ways.  One, the writer, well known to be a spokesman for God, 
claimed to be speaking and writing the inspired Word of God.  First 
principle, the writer, well known as a spokesman for God claimed to be 
speaking and writing the inspired Word of God.  Second principle, there were 
no errors of history, geography, or theology at all in the book.  And if the 
writer was familiar to them, claimed the inspiration of God, and wrote 
without error, they knew they had inspired revelation.  

Now there were many attempts made by Satan to infiltrate the Old Testament 
Canon with uninspired books.  At least 14 of them have been accumulated and 
together they are called the Apocrypha.  You find them in a Roman Catholic 
Bible.  They are not a part of our Bible.  They are not inspired books.  They 
are books: 1 and 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, the rest of Esther, the Wisdom of 
Solomon, Ecclesiasticus (not to be confused with Ecclesiastes), Baruch, the 
Song of the Three Holy Children, the History of Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, 
the Prayer of Manasses, and 1 and 2 Maccabees.  All spurious.  We call them 
Pseudepigrapha--false writing.  They were clearly fakes.  How do we know they 
were fakes?  They were written long after the canon was completed and they 
lacked the prophetic quality and authorship to stamp them as inspired 
Scripture.  None of their writers claimed divine inspiration and some openly 
disclaimed it.  And Apocrypha books contained errors of facts, errors of 
ethics, errors of doctrine.  For example, some of the Apocrypha books 
advocate suicide.  Some of them advocate assassination and some of them teach 
praying for dead people.  Therein lies one of the reasons you find them in a 
Catholic Bible.  The Old Testament Canon was unquestioned; it is still 
unquestioned because it is so evident what was inspired.  

The New Testament writers then came together to write the remaining 27 books 
of Scripture.  And they had similar tests to determine a book's canonicity.  
One, was the book authored by an Apostle or someone closely associated with 
an Apostle?  They knew who the Apostles were and they knew who their close 
associates were.  The key question about the book's inspiration was tied to 
Apostolic authorship or one closely associated.  For example, the Gospel of 
Mark was written by Mark, and Mark was not an Apostle but a close associate 
of Peter, who was.  The Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts were written by 
Luke who was not an Apostle but a very close associate of Paul, who was.  The 
Apostles were known to the people, their associates were known to the people, 
and when Apostles wrote and claimed inspiration the people were secure in the 
veracity of their writings.  

Another test applied by the Early Church was the test of content.  Did the 
writings square with what the Apostles taught?  In those early years of the 
Church, heretics such as the Gnostics tried to slip in phony books, but none 
of them ever made it.  If it didn't square with Apostolic doctrine--it didn't 
pass.  And the doctrinal aberrations were very easy to spot.  

A third test was this, "Is the book regularly read and used in the churches?"  
In other words, did the people of God readily accept it?  Read it during 
worship and make its teachings a part of their daily living?  

A final test was determined that would sort of pull it all together, and that 
was the book recognized and used by succeeding generations after the Early 
Church?  

All of those tests applied leave us with the 27 books that we have in our New 
Testament.  They all were written by authors who were either Apostles or 
closely associated with Apostles.  Their content is in complete and total 
agreement and harmony with all the teaching of the Apostles, and with all 
other books of the New Testament and Old Testament.  All 27 of them were read 
in the churches and used by the Church and by succeeding generations even 
until now.  There was also a formidable group of fakes that came in the New 
Testament period, books like the, "Epistle of Barnabas, the Apocalypse of 
Peter, the Gospel of Nicodemus, the Shepherd of Hermas."  And then there were 
false books called, "the Gospel of Andrew, the Gospel of Bartholomew, the 
Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip."  They all failed to make it in 
because they couldn't pass the test of authenticity.  

The false books then of the Old Testament and New Testament, what we call, as 
I said, Pseudepigrapha, were attempts to pollute the Biblical text with 
spurious revelation.  Now, listen to me.  That attempt didn't end in those 
days; it is still going on and before we are done tonight we are going to see 
that in clear terms.  People and groups have continued to claim their works 
and their writings are inspired by God, and are true, and authoritative and 
binding.  And whenever they do that, it leads to aberrant doctrine.  
Revelation 22:18 warns about this, it says, "I warn everyone who hears the 
words of the prophecy of this book; if anyone adds anything to them, God will 
add to him the plagues described in this book."  

Now, someone will scoff and say, "Well, that's only a warning that applies to 
the Book of Revelation and not the entire Bible."  Before you congratulate 
yourself, by the way, too loudly on such reasoning, realize this, Revelation 
is the last book ever written, all the way as late as 96 A.D.  It is the last 
book penned; it is therefore the last book in the Bible.  Therefore, if you 
add anything to the Book of Revelation, you are adding it to the Bible and 
you put yourself in danger of the curse of Revelation 22:18. 

Now, someone will immediately say, "Now, wait a minute.  If that's true then 
why don't these people who add to the Bible go up in smoke?  Go up in flames 
or have some personal holocaust that takes their life."  Well, one thing is 
clear, God does keep His word.  He doesn't keep it by your timetable or mine 
but by His own; and He may be withholding the force of that curse until 
"Judgment Day."  Christ has put His stamp of authority on the Scripture.  The 
Church has clearly discovered the Canon of God's Word under the guidance of 
the Holy Spirit, and has abandoned every spurious attempt to pollute it with 
false writing.  To add anything to Scripture or to downplay the singular, 
unique, inspiration of Scripture, then is to not only go against the Word of 
God and the warning of Scripture and the teaching of Christ and the Apostles, 
but it is to bring yourself into the very dangerous place where you are 
susceptible to the curse of God.  And, of course, what happens when you 
introduce something as true is [that] you open up a spiritual free-for-all,  
unintentionally perhaps. 

The Charismatic movement today has initiated that free-for-all as serious as 
any error in that movement is the error of claiming revelation from God.  It 
is reckless; it is indiscriminate.  Now, within that revelation claim, there 
is a specific category that I want to deal with tonight and that's the matter 
of prophecies.  

Yesterday, I was watching television, and I have been watching Channel 40 
frequently lately, in order to glean some illustrations of this.  And a 
preacher from Texas, by the name of Larry Lee came on and told about a 
prophecy that he had had, that he [then] gave to a certain individual.  
Verbatim, God gave it to him; verbatim he gave it to this certain individual.  
This is common.  This was not any big prophecy with far reaching implications 
or application; this was a personal prophecy for one guy, and he repeated 
that prophecy from God that was given to that man as expressing the very will 
of God, in the very words of God.  This is routine for them.

There has arisen recently a very interesting group that is sort of leading 
the prophetic parade, if we can call it that, and they come from Kansas City.  
They have gathered the name, "The Kansas City Prophets."  They are the 
subject of much writing today.  They are self-proclaimed prophets in Kansas 
City and they serve as a good example of how far prophetic abuses can go.  
They are very popular.  I was shocked, absolutely shocked, to find out within 
the last week, that one of their leaders is speaking in Westminster Church, 
the Church of G. Campbell Morgan and Martyn Lloyd-Jones, in the city of 
London.  That is the level to which they have ascended, these Kansas City 
Prophets.  

Invited to speak as guests in a Kansas City church, these self-styled 
prophets each prophesied that, "The Lord had told them that the Church was to 
disband.  That the Church's leaders had no right to challenge the prophecy 
and that if the Church failed to heed the prophecy, 'Ichabod, the Glory Has 
Departed,' would be written above the door."  Now, imagine a man coming into 
the pulpit of this Church, telling you he had a "Word from the Lord" that 
you're to disband, and if you don't disband according to the "Word from the 
Lord," Ichabod would be written over your Church.  

The Prophets had allegedly received a message from God saying that all the  
Christians in Kansas City were to be under the authority of the Prophets' 
home church.  So that all the Christians of Kansas City were to leave their 
churches and go to the Church known as the Kansas City Fellowship.  Similar 
prophecies were delivered in and around Kansas City and other churches and 
incredibly, one church at least, actually responded by dropping its ties with 
the Assemblies of God and aligning with the Kansas City Fellowship.  Now 
that's a novel approach to "Church Growth!"  But it has more in common with 
the methodology of cults than it does with the work of the Holy Spirit.

Interestingly, the Kansas City Prophets admit that they have prophesied 
falsely on occasion--they admit it.  They specialize, they say, in predictive 
prophecy.  They foretold, for example, that a nationwide revival would sweep 
across England in June of 1990, one year ago.  Hundreds of thousands were 
going to turn to Christ and the movement would then spread to the entire 
European Continent.  Like many of their predictions, the revival never 
materialized.  One of their prophets concocted a novel explanation of why so 
many of their prophecies go unfulfilled, and I am quoting, here's what he 
said:

      I figure, if I hit two-thirds of it, I'm doing pretty good.  God 
      told me that, "If I release the 100% Rema (sp.) right now, the 
      accountability would be awesome, and you'd have so much 'Ananias 
      and Sapphira' going on that the people wouldn't grow, they'd be 
      too scared."  But He said, "If it was 'on target' it would kill 
      instead of scaring the people to repentance."

Now, I don't even know what that means.  But apparently what he meant was, 
God told him I have to be wrong once and a while or people would be too 
frightened of what I say.  Kansas City Fellowship Pastor, Mike Bickel (sp.) 
adds, "Now, the 'two-thirds,' you know when Bob first said it, I said, 'two-
thirds?'"  He said, "Well, that's better than its ever been up to now, you 
know.  That's the highest level it's ever been."  In other words, these so-
called prophets claim they have a "Word from the Lord" but the odds are one 
in three at best that it will be false!  No wonder their prophecies have 
thrown so many churches into hopeless confusion.  And what a blasphemy 
against the God who is supposed to be the author of these.  

Oddly enough, despite their poor track record, the Kansas City Prophets have 
garnered an international following.  They have aligned with John Wimbers' 
(sp.) Vineyard Christian Fellowship, and they now speak worldwide about the 
modern day prophetic ministry.  In a forward to a book endorsing the Kansas 
City Prophets, written by Dr. John White, he writes: 

      Battles about prophets have plagued the Church from time to 
      time.  Early last century it was the Irvingite Controversy in 
      London with the leading prophet having to confess after years 
      that he had been deceived.  Many of us have found that hearing 
      from God is no easy thing.  In fact, the Church has had so many 
      bad experiences with prophets that we now react too rapidly and 
      fearfully.  We could be in danger of discarding a live baby in 
      our horror over dirty bath water. 

My question is, "Who says there's a baby in the dirty bath water?"  White, 
for example, fiercely defends the Kansas City Prophets, although he 
acknowledges that they have, "made mistakes."  He seems to believe that 
criticism of them is inherently Satanic.  Quoting White he says:

      Satan fears those words that come fresh from God's lips.  
      Because Satan so dreads the fresh word, he will arouse 
      controversy wherever it comes forth miraculously through the 
      lips of a real prophet, or from the lips of an Evangelist, 
      aflame with the Spirit.

Now, do you see what a trap that is?  Because if you hear a prophecy and you 
reject it--Ah! Ha!  That's satanic!  So you're trapped.  Curiously, White 
believes that controversy about the Kansas City Prophets is strong evidence 
of their genuineness.  In a section titled (mistitled really), "Beware of 
False Prophets," White quotes Jesus' warning about false prophets in Matthew 
7:15, Matthew 24:11, and Mark 13:22.  Then White writes this, listen to this: 

      We are warned that it is to happen.  Most scholars feel the 
      words of Jesus apply particularly to the last days.  They may be 
      approaching us now.  How are we to discern the false from the 
      true?  For one thing, true prophets will be unpopular.

Listen to me, let me say this as plainly as I possibly can, that is the worst 
imaginable starting point for a discussion of how to discern false prophets!  
Whether they're unpopular or not doesn't mean anything.  Jim Jones was 
unpopular, except with a few deceived souls.  Certainly, those who speak 
truth are often unpopular, but notoriety and unpopularity is not a test of 
authenticity.  Saddam Hussein is unpopular!  And Jesus and John the Baptist 
went through periods of their ministry when they were enormously popular.  
That doesn't prove anything.  The only test of a true prophet is the accuracy 
of his prophecies.  

Deuteronomy 18:21-22 says, "How shall we know the word which the Lord has not 
spoken?  When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not 
come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken.  
The prophet has spoken it presumptuously."  Simple, Deuteronomy 18:21-22, "If 
it isn't true it isn't from God!"  And what was the penalty under the Law for 
such a prophecy?  Verse 20 adds, "But the prophet who shall speak a word 
presumptuously in My name which I have commanded him to speak. . .that 
prophet shall die."  There weren't in those days a lot of false prophets 
running around loose.  Astonishingly, in a five page discussion, of how to 
discern false prophets, White never once, in five pages, never once speaks of 
accuracy or truthfulness as a test of their integrity.  In fact, he 
explicitly states that he believes that those are not valid tests of a 
prophet's credentials!  

He believes that lying prophecies do not necessarily disqualify a person from 
speaking for God.  He concludes his section on discerning false prophets with 
this statement, "Prophets are, of course, human beings.  As such, they can 
make mistakes and lie.  They need not cease to be prophets for their mistakes 
and failings."  That statement not only betrays an appalling ignorance of 
Scripture, but it betrays a very strong desire to legitimize prophecy at any 
cost.  Biblically a prophet spoke the mind of God.  Every prophetic message 
contained a "Thus saith the Lord," if not explicitly, implicitly.  A prophecy 
in the Biblical sense is not the prophets opinion, it's not the prophets 
speculation, it is the Word of God and it could never be wrong--never!  It is 
not a mere impression on the prophet's mind.  It is not a guess.  It is not a 
divination.  It has nothing whatever to do with sooth saying; it is a Word 
from the Lord.  And the Lord never made a mistake.  And since the prophet 
speaks a Word from the Lord, he was held to the highest level of 
accountability and judged with the utmost severity if he prophesied falsely.  

It stands to reason that since a prophet is a mouthpiece for God's own words, 
every authentic prophecy would be true, reliable, and inerrant.  Otherwise, 
God's a liar, for we must downgrade the meaning of prophecy and embrace some 
secondary level of inspiration where you sort of give your opinion.  We would 
have to devise some kind of theory in which God somehow enables contemporary 
prophets to deliver a message that maybe true or maybe false; it's sort of 
"up for grabs."  Beloved, the ecclesiastical landscape is literally filled 
with Charismatics who are saying, "God talked to them and God gave them 
prophecies," and they are pushing those prophecies at the Church.  That is 
serious, that is disastrous, and the results of it are all around us.

Last Sunday, in connection with talking about discernment, I quoted from Bill 
Haman (sp.), who wrote an article in the magazine called Charisma, which is 
one of the chief magazines of the movement.  And in that article he shared 
his belief about prophecies and I need to repeat that because you need to 
hear it in this context.  Haman believes: 

      "All personal prophecies are conditional, whether or not any 
      conditions are made explicit."  That is, he says, "Prophecies 
      can be canceled, altered, revised, reversed, or diminished.  For 
      prophecy of this kind to come to pass requires the proper 
      participation and cooperation of the one who receives the 
      prophetic word."  

So in Haman's scheme, the fact that prophecy goes unfulfilled is no proof it 
was false to begin with!  If circumstances change or if the prophet himself 
lacks faith, God may change the prophecy in any way or even cancel it.  So 
everything is "up for grabs."  First, he may be right, he may be wrong.  If 
he's right, and he doesn't follow through with the right amount of faith, or 
circumstances change, even though it once was right, it now is wrong.  It 
should come to pass, it might not come to pass, if it does come to pass it's 
ok, if it doesn't come to pass it's ok.  Just, endless, useless double talk!  
Obviously, Haman would deny that he puts modern prophecy on the same level as 
Scripture, but in practice it is absolutely impossible to discern any 
distinction.  

Now how do you determine if a prophecy is true?  Here's what Haman says, 
listen to this: 

      I have sometimes heard people say, "I didn't witness with that 
      prophecy," but after questioning them, I discovered that what 
      they really meant was that the prophecy didn't fit their 
      theology, personal desires, or goals, or their emotions reacted 
      negatively to it.  They failed to understand that we don't bear 
      witness with the soul, the mind, the emotions, or will.  Our 
      reasoning is in the mind, not the spirit.  So our traditions, 
      beliefs and strong opinions are not true witnesses to prophetic 
      truth.  The spirit reaction originates deep within our being.  
      Many Christians describe the physical location of its 
      corresponding sensation as the upper abdominal area. 

What is he saying?  He is saying, "Ignore your beliefs.  Ignore your 
theology.  Ignore your reason.  Ignore your logic.  Ignore your common sense, 
and wait for a feeling in your upper abdominal area, so you will know whether 
a prophecy is true!"  Foolish!  Nonsense!  That kind of thinking, however, 
permeates the Charismatic movement.  In the end, many prophecies are judged 
on nothing more than some kind of feeling in the gut.  That is precisely why 
error and confusion run rampant in the Charismatic movement.  You cannot have 
an approach to theological data like that without having Satan move in and 
confuse everybody.  The fact remains throughout the history of the Church, no 
genuine revival, no orthodox movement has ever been led by people whose 
primary authority was based on private revelations from God.  None in the 
history of the Church.  Many groups have claimed to receive new revelation, 
but all of them have been fanatical, heretical, cultic, and fraudulent.  Both 
Charismatics and Non-Charismatics need to consider whether there is a 
parallel between these groups and the modern Charismatic movement.  It moves 
more, and more, and more into heresy and aberration, because it is not 
controlled by the Word of God.  

Several major heresies will illustrate this for you, and I will give you a 
little history flow here.  Let's take an old one from the second century, 
Montanism.  Montanism.  Montanus was a second century heretic from Phrygia, 
who believed he was a prophet sent by God to reform Christianity with new 
revelation.  He believed he was inspired by the Holy Spirit in all his 
teaching and he wrote the very Word of God, and spoke the very Word of God.  
Two "so called" prophetesses, Priscilla and Maximilla, were instrumental in 
the spread of Montanism.  And I warn you at this point, that in most cults 
there has been a dominating influence by a woman, which, of course, steps 
outside the provision of Scripture, indicating clearly to us that women are 
not to teach in the Church, but are to learn in submission.  And so, there is 
a reversal of that kind of role, usually in cultic activity.  It was true in 
Montanism back in the second century.  

Of these women, Eusebius, one of the early fathers wrote, "Montanus also 
stirred up two women and filled them with the bastard spirit, so that they 
uttered demented, absurd, and irresponsible sayings."  Some historians have 
taken that to mean that these women spoke in tongues.  Hippolytus, another 
early writer, wrote about the Montanists and said this, and, of course, these 
have been translated into English.  He said of the Montanist: 

      They have been deceived by two females, Priscilla and Maximilla, 
      by name, whom they hold to be prophetesses, asserting that into 
      them the Paraclete Spirit entered.  They magnify these females 
      above the Apostles and every gift of grace, so that some of them 
      go so far as to say that "In them there is something more than 
      Christ."  They introduce novelties in the form of fasts and 
      feasts, abstinences, and diets of radishes, giving these females 
      as their authority.  

Montanism spread rapidly throughout the early church and reached Rome by the 
second half of the second century.  Eusebius described its birth and early 
growth with these words: 

      Montanus, they say, first exposed himself to the assaults of the 
      adversary through his unbounded lust for leadership.  He was one 
      of the recent converts and he became possessed of a spirit and 
      suddenly began to rave in a kind of a ecstatic trance and to 
      babble jargon, prophesying in a manner contrary to the custom of 
      the Church, which had been handed down by tradition from the 
      earliest times.  Some of them had heard his bastard utterances; 
      rebuked him as one possessed of a devil, remembering the Lord's 
      warning to guard vigilantly against the coming of false 
      prophets.  But others were carried away and not a little elated, 
      thinking themselves possessed of the Holy Spirit and of the gift 
      of prophecy.

There you are in the second century.  Satan already attempting to counterfeit 
and confuse in the Church with supposed new revelation.  Tertullian, one of 
the leading Church Fathers converted to Montanism in the later years of his 
life and wrote this description of a Montanist church service.  Here is his 
description:

      We have among us now a sister who has been granted gifts of 
      revelations, which she experiences in church during the Sunday 
      services through ecstatic vision in the spirit.  And after the 
      people have been dismissed at the end of the service, it is her 
      custom to relate to us what she has seen.  "Among other things," 
      says she, "There was shown to me a soul in bodily form and it 
      appeared like a spirit, but it was no more something void of 
      qualities, but rather a thing which could be grasped.  Soft and 
      translucent and of ethereal color in a form at all points human."

And I ask, "Does that sound familiar?"  Tertullian sounds like he might have 
been describing a 20th century Charismatic church, and somebody having a 
vision of something.  Montanus and his followers claimed to receive 
revelation from God and they claimed that it supplemented the Bible.  They 
believed the Holy Spirit spoke through the mouth of Montanus and Priscilla 
and Maximilla.  Montanus believed he was living in the last days immediately 
before the Return of Christ.  He taught that the Kingdom would be set up in 
his own village, and that the Kingdom would be in Pepuza, and he would have a 
prominent role in it.  Those and other false prophecies were among the chief 
reasons the rest of the Church considered his movement heretical.  He opposed 
formalism in the Church.  He wanted everything to be free flowing, no 
structure, no form, let it all happen.  And he boldly intimidated Christians 
by claiming his followers were more spiritual than those who had only the 
dead letter of the Scripture.  Sound familiar?  

In most respects you might say Montanus held to an orthodox theology, 
Trinity, Deity of Christ, etc., but the movement was schismatic.  They 
believed themselves to be the True Church.  The rest of the Church branded 
Montanism as a serious heresy to be rejected.  Augustine wrote against the 
movement and at the Council of Constantinople the movement was decreed the 
equivalent of outright paganism.  

It's sad to say, but much of the contemporary Charismatic movement could be 
branded Neo-Montanism.  One Charismatic leader, Larry Christianson, who has 
written a very popular book on tongues, [which has been] around for many 
years, claims, believe it or not, "The Montanist movement as part of the 
Charismatic historical tradition."  So even they want to be identified with 
Montanus.  

Let's move in history to another movement--Roman Catholicism.  Roman 
Catholicism.  You might not understand the close parallel between the 
Charismatic movement and the Catholic movement.  You might be curious about 
why there are so many Charismatic Catholics; that would tell you a little bit 
about the affinity that they have for each other.  The similarity between the 
Charismatic view of revelation and the traditional teaching of the Roman 
Catholic Church is worth a look.  

A good place to start is with the Roman Catholic concept of tradition.  Roman 
Catholic scholar, Gabriel Moran, will help us with that.  He gives three 
classifications of revelation or tradition.  Dogmatic Tradition--that is the 
revealed truth made known by God in Scripture before the death of the last 
Apostle.  That would be Scripture.  Dogmatic Tradition is often called by 
Catholics--Primary Revelation.  

Secondly, he says there is Disciplinary Tradition.  Disciplinary Tradition.  
What does he mean by that?  He says, well there is a tradition including the 
practices and liturgical rites of the Church, in Apostolic or Post-Apostolic 
times that are not a part of divine revelation in Scripture.  Disciplinary 
Tradition is commonly called Secondary Tradition.  Tradition then, said the 
French Roman Catholic, George Tafard (sp.), "Was the overflow of the Word 
outside sacred Scripture.  It was neither separate from nor identical with 
Holy Writ.  Its contents were the other Scriptures through which the Word 
made Himself known."

You ask yourself the question, "Why do they believe in the perpetual 
virginity of Mary?  Why do they believe in the Immaculate Conception?  Where 
do they find that?  Where do they get Purgatory?  Where do they get lighting 
candles for the dead?  Where do they get that?  It does not come out of 
Scripture," you say.  Yes.  But it comes out of their Secondary Tradition, 
which is the equivalent of Scripture in terms of its authority.  It was 
decided by the Pope or the Church or the Council.  

Another Roman Catholic with a view similar to what Charismatics are saying 
today is Caspar Schatsguire (sp.), who died in 1527.  He taught, "That an 
intimate revelation from the Holy Spirit is an everyday possibility.  Once 
known beyond doubt," he said, "It is as binding as the teaching that came 
from Christ's own mouth."  And there is the third level of revelation.  
Dogmatic Tradition and Scripture, Disciplinary Tradition in the ceremonies 
and the development of Catholic tradition, and then there is that Personal 
Revelation that comes through some revelation from the Holy Spirit that comes 
to an individual.

Now all of that raises the question, "Where does the Bible end?"  Because of 
their interpretation of the word "tradition," Roman Catholic Doctrinal 
teaching is utterly opened ended.  Church councils and Popes can still bring 
in new doctrines, and individuals can have new revelations from the Holy 
Spirit.  So there is always the possibility of adding something that is equal 
in authority to the Scripture.  The Council of Trent, meeting from 1545 to 
1563, was convened to solidify Catholic opposition to the Protestant 
Reformation.  And here is what that Council said:

      "The Holy, Ecumenical and General Synod of Trent, having this 
      aim always before its eyes, that errors may be removed and the 
      purity of the gospel be preserved in the Church, which was 
      before promised through the Prophets in the Holy Scripture, and 
      which Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, first published by 
      His own mouth, and then commanded to be preached through His 
      Apostles to every creature as a source of all saving truth and 
      of discipline of conduct.  And perceiving that this truth and 
      this discipline are contained in written books and in unwritten 
      traditions, which were received by the Apostles from the lips of 
      Christ Himself, or by the same Apostles at the dictation of the 
      Holy Spirit, and were handed on and have come down to us 
      following the example of the orthodox fathers, this Synod 
      receives and venerates," listen to this, "with equal pious 
      affection and reverence, all the books, both of the New and Old 
      Testaments together with the said traditions as having been 
      given from either the lips of Christ or by the dictation of the 
      Holy Spirit and preserved in unbroken succession in the Catholic 
      Church."

They have all kinds of revelation.  According to that, God has been giving 
revelation through the Roman Catholic Church since the New Testament era on.  
From the unwritten traditions handed down, it's a short step to the concept 
of the infallibility of the Pope, who is the successor (supposedly) to Peter.  
And the Roman Catholic theology teaches that when the Pope speaks 
"ex cathedra" (that means out of the seat of authority) he does it with 
supreme apostolic authority--nothing lacking whatsoever.  

Since the Roman Catholic Church then, allows for additional revelation 
they're very comfortable in the Charismatic realm, in terms of this 
particular issue.  They too, like the Charismatics, go beyond the Scriptures.  
Their doctrines of Penance, Purgatory, Papal Infallibility, Prayers for the 
Dead, the whole Sacramental System, doesn't come out of the Bible at all--at 
all.  

My concern is, the Charismatic movement is building a tradition.  An 
unbiblical, extrabiblical, tradition that stands alongside Scripture as 
equal.  They are doing exactly what historic Catholicism did.  When you ask, 
for example, a Charismatic person, "How important is it to be 'Slain in the 
Spirit?'"  There are some who would say it's absolutely essential to be 
"Slain in the Spirit."  When you ask one of them, "Where in the Bible is 
slaying in the spirit discussed?"  You probably will get an answer that's 
something like this, "I'm not sure but its got to be there somewhere!"  Press 
the issue, "Find it for me!  It isn't there."  "That doesn't matter, Jesus 
told them to do it!"  That's the tradition.

Moving into another category, let's talk about Neo-Orthodoxy.  Moving away 
from Montanism and Catholicism and looking at liberal theology in the form of 
Neo-Orthodoxy.  It's a term, it's a title for a theology that denies the 
inerrancy of Scripture, the inspiration of Scripture.  Neo-Orthodox theology 
says the Scripture not the objective Word of God, but it's the subjective 
Word of God.  In other words, it would go something like this, "The Bible, as 
the words sit on the page, was not written by God.  But when you read these 
words written by man God can make them alive to you and they become inspired 
to you."  That's Neo-Orthodoxy.  It is not the Word of God, but it becomes the 
Word of God in you as God kind of warms it up and makes it apply to you.  
Sitting on the shelf it is not the objective Word of God, but some of its 
truths will pop out at you and they become to you the Word of God.  

J. K. S. Reed puts it this way, "God marches up and down through the Bible 
Magisterially, making His Word come to life at any point throughout its 
length and breadth.  So too it is rightly said that the Bible becomes the 
Word of God.  The Bible becomes the Word of God by stated and steady 
appointment."  In other words, God just zaps you with it and it becomes the 
Word of God, because of its effect on you.  

Emile Brunner (sp.) says, "The Spirit of God is imprisoned within the covers 
of the written word, and He is released in your experience."  Mystical!  So 
Neo-Orthodoxy says, "The Bible is not all there is.  God is still giving 
revelation."  C. H. Dodd, one of the most popular Neo-Orthodox writers says, 
"If the Bible is indeed the Word of God, it is so, not as the last word."  
Not as the last word.  God has more to say.  If it is the Word of God--its 
not the last word.  So the inspiration of the Bible depends on subjective 
experience.  

Now, what do you get then out of this?  If you follow the path, God is still 
talking, God is still speaking, and prophecies are still coming from the 
Lord, you are following the tradition not of historic Christianity, not of 
Reformation theology, you are following a tradition of Montanism, 
Catholicism, and Neo-Orthodoxy.  You're falling into the traps that have led 
to those kinds of errors.  This is not in line with historic theology.  

And one last illustration--the Cults.  The Book of Mormon says this, (this is 
right out of the Book of Mormon): 

      Do you not suppose that I know of these things myself?  Behold! 
      I testify unto you that I do know that these things whereof I 
      have spoken are true.  And how do you suppose that I know of 
      their surety?  Behold! I say unto you, they are made known unto 
      me by the Holy Spirit of God.  And this is the Spirit of 
      Revelation which is in me.  

The Book of Mormon says this is the Holy Spirit's revelation.  The Mormons 
put two other books, written by Joseph Smith, on a par with Scripture, "The 
Doctrine and Covenants" and the "Pearl of Great Price."  From these "Further 
Revelations" pour error, after error, after error concerning God, Christ, the 
nature of man, theological chaos, [and] damning heresies.  By the way, did 
you know what the seventh Article of Faith is in the Mormon religion?  Here's 
the seventh Article of Faith, listen to it, "We believe in the gifts of 
tongues, prophecy, revelations, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues."  
They are very comfortable in that arena, because they believe in ecstatic 
experiences and extended revelation.  

Christian Science, which I always think is a ridiculous name because it isn't 
Christian and it isn't scientific.  It's like Grape Nuts; they're not grapes 
or nuts.  Christian Science is another cult.  A cult that bases its teaching 
on truths supposedly given by God in addition to Scripture.  The Christian 
Science Journal, July 1975, states, "Because it is not a human philosophy, 
but a divine revelation, the divinity based reason and logic of Christian 
Science necessarily separates it from all other systems."  It is divine 
revelation.  That same issue of the Christian Science Journal calls Mary 
Baker Eddy "The Revelator of Truth for this Age."  Another woman, by the way.  
Mrs. Eddy wrote: 

      I should blush to write of "Science and Health with Keys to the 
      Scriptures," as I have, were it of human origin and were I, 
      apart from God, its author.  But as I was only a scribe echoing 
      the harmonies of Heaven in divine metaphysics, I cannot be super 
      modest in my estimate of the Christian Science Textbook.

She says, I can boast about it because God wrote it.  God is its author.  And 
although the errors of Christian Science regarding God, Christ, and the 
Scriptures are well documented in many books, Mrs. Eddy was convinced that 
she was used by God to reveal His truth for her day.  The truth was that she 
was simply a dupe of Satan!  

Perhaps the most visible cultists in our nation are called Jehovah's 
Witnesses.  Tireless in their efforts, they go from door to door spreading 
their doctrine of salvation by works, negating the grace of God through 
Christ--a damnable heresy.  They claim Jesus was a created being, not God the 
Son.  And how did they come up with that?  They got it from God!  In 
"Watchtower Magazine," it says, "The Watchtower is a magazine without equal 
on earth.  This is not giving any credit to the magazine publishers, but is 
due to the great Author (capital A) of the Bible with its truths and 
prophecies who now interprets its prophecies."  Boy, God is sure giving a lot 
of conflicting theology out.  

And then there is the "Worldwide Church of God" founded by Herbert W. 
Armstrong, "Plain Truth" magazine, "The World Tomorrow" television program.  
And where did they get their start?  Mrs. Armstrong had a vision, and the 
angel laid out the whole system for Mrs. Armstrong.  She told her husband and 
a new cult was born.  And then there is Sun Myung Moon, self-styled Messiah 
from Korea, [who] says he is the divine messenger from God, and God gave him 
ultimate truth.  "Not from Scripture, not from literature, not from man's 
brain," he says.  

Virtually every cult, every false teaching ever spawned is built on the 
premise that its leader or leaders have access to new revelation.  And it 
even goes into the New Age stuff all the way from Edgar Casey to L. Ron 
Hubbard (sp.) and Scientology, who claim direct revelation of some kind from 
God.  You see, Charismatic acceptance of modern prophecies represents a turn 
down a perilous road away from historic Christianity.  The marker may read 
"Something More," but the road of new revelation is a path of something less.  

Some Charismatics, by the way, are troubled with the problem.  Stephen Strang 
(sp.) writing in "Charisma" magazine says: 

      When it comes to something such as personal prophecy, we believe 
      that extremism is more deadly than when dealing with less 
      volatile issues.  That is because there is an element of control 
      involved when one individual is able to speak for God to a group 
      of individuals.  It isn't always easy to tell when a person is 
      really speaking for God or speaking carnally, or maybe even 
      speaking for the enemy. 

What an amazing mess that is.  You don't even know who they are speaking for.  
We believe there are some who purport to prophesy that actually get their 
unusual ability to know the future, not from the Holy Spirit, but from the 
Spirit of Divination.  That's false by the way, because no spirit, no demon 
spirit knows the future, they only know the past.  And there are some 
Charismatics who are so eager to know God's will, or to get a word from God 
to be singled out in service where the special gift may be manifest, that 
they are susceptible to spirits that are not from God.  In other words, they 
want to "show off" so they are vulnerable.  Strang (sp.) has identified the 
central problem, but he offers no solution, How do we know if a true prophet 
is speaking?  How do we know if a message comes from an evil spirit or 
divination?  How do we know if it comes out of somebody's imagination?  What 
he is saying is, "We don't know!"

Now if we don't draw the line at Scripture, we are hopelessly caught.  Once 
you go beyond Scripture everything is out of control.  Out of control.  This 
is a major issue.  The Charismatics have never given sufficient attention to 
it [or] supplied sufficient answer.  

In closing, turn to 2 Timothy, chapter 3.  2 Timothy, chapter 3, a familiar 
text, I only read it to pull all these "loose ends" in a sense, together.  
The question I pose at the end is this, "Who needs new revelation?  Who needs 
it?  Why?  Why would God give it?  What would be the purpose?"  If, listen to 
me carefully, the indwelling resident Spirit can lead you into the "Will of 
God" then you don't need some more revelation to do it.  That's why the 
Spirit is there.  Right?  "As many that are lead by the Spirit are the 
children of God."  He's there to lead you.  You don't need some revelation to 
do it--He's there to do that.    

Now, secondly, you say that, "Maybe God's giving more revelation because we 
need it for our spiritual lives."  2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is 
inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, 
for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be (perfect), 
adequate, (complete), equipped for every good work."  Listen, beloved, you 
don't need new revelation for direction in your life; the Spirit is there to 
lead you.  You don't need new revelation for the virtue of your life; the 
Scripture is able to make you perfect.  What's the point of allowing this 
confusion?  Only this, that Satan uses it to pollute the clear stream of 
revelation laid out in the Word, and to confound and confuse the otherwise 
discernible leading of the Spirit of God in your life.  Be warned of the 
prophecies that claim to be from God.

Father, we thank you for the time in the Word tonight.  What a very vital 
subject.  We pray that you will give us discernment, that we might examine 
all things; find what is good and cling to it; find what is evil and shun it.  
For Christ's sake.  Amen.

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